After spending decades studying chimpanzee actions, Jane Goodall became an authority on the aggressive tendencies of dominant males. In a newly published interview filmed shortly before her death, the renowned primatologist shared her unusual solution for addressing certain individuals she viewed as exhibiting similar traits: transporting them on a permanent journey into space.
This extraordinary perspective into Goodall's philosophy emerges from the Netflix production "Last Statements", which was recorded in March and kept private until after her recently announced passing at nine decades of life.
"There are people I dislike, and I wish to place them on one of Musk's spaceships and launch them to the world he's certain he'll locate," stated Goodall during her discussion with her interlocutor.
When inquired whether the tech billionaire, known for his questionable behavior and associations, would be part of this group, Goodall responded positively.
"Oh, absolutely. He could serve as the host. You can imagine the people I would place on that spacecraft. In addition to Musk would be Donald Trump and several of Trump's real supporters," she declared.
"And then I would put Russia's leader among them, and I would place Xi Jinping. I'd certainly put Benjamin Netanyahu in there and his administration. Put them all on that vessel and launch them."
This wasn't the earlier occasion that Goodall, a supporter of ecological preservation, had expressed criticism about Donald Trump specifically.
In a 2022 interview, she had observed that he exhibited "similar type of behavior as a dominant primate demonstrates when battling for supremacy with a rival. They posture, they strut, they project themselves as really more large and aggressive than they truly are in order to intimidate their competitors."
During her final interview, Goodall further explained her understanding of alpha personalities.
"We observe, remarkably, two kinds of leader. One type succeeds through pure aggression, and because they're strong and they combat, they don't endure indefinitely. Another group achieves dominance by utilizing strategy, like a young male will only challenge a superior one if his friend, typically a relative, is supporting him. And research shows, they endure significantly longer," she explained.
The celebrated primatologist also analyzed the "social dimension" of actions, and what her comprehensive research had revealed to her about aggressive behaviors displayed by human communities and apes when confronted with something they considered hostile, despite the fact that no danger actually existed.
"Chimpanzees see a stranger from an adjacent group, and they become all excited, and the hair stands out, and they stretch and make physical contact, and they've got these faces of hostility and apprehension, and it transmits, and the rest absorb that sentiment that a single individual has had, and they all become combative," she described.
"It transmits easily," she continued. "Various exhibitions that become hostile, it permeates the group. Everyone desires to participate and engage and turn violent. They're guarding their area or fighting for control."
When questioned if she believed the same dynamics were present in human beings, Goodall responded: "Probably, in certain situations. But I truly believe that most people are decent."
"My biggest hope is raising future generations of caring individuals, roots and shoots. But is there sufficient time? I'm uncertain. It's a really grim time."
Goodall, originally from London five years before the beginning of the Second World War, compared the struggle against the challenges of present day politics to the UK resisting German forces, and the "unyielding attitude" exhibited by the prime minister.
"That doesn't mean you avoid having moments of depression, but then you come out and declare, 'Well, I refuse to permit their victory'," she remarked.
"It's similar to the Prime Minister in the war, his iconic words, we will oppose them along the shores, we'll fight them through the avenues and urban areas, then he turned aside to a companion and reportedly stated, 'and we shall combat them at the ends of damaged containers as that's the only thing we actually possess'."
In her last message, Goodall shared words of encouragement for those fighting against governmental suppression and the environmental crisis.
"At present, when the planet is dark, there continues to be possibility. Don't lose hope. Should optimism fade, you become unresponsive and remain inactive," she advised.
"Whenever you desire to save the remaining beauty on our planet – if you want to preserve Earth for the future generations, your descendants, their grandchildren – then contemplate the decisions you take each day. Because, multiplied countless, multiple occasions, minor decisions will create great change."
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